NFT Tammy | Decentralized Photo Network

 

As NFT makes its way into the mainstream, issues such as the right-click and save of images are bound to arise. In this episode, Tammy Yang introduces a decentralized photo network to help make digital media traceable and verifiable. Tammy is the founder and CEO of Numbers Protocol, the leading platform that brings authenticity to digital content spaces. She joins Jeff Kelley, Eathan Janney, and Josh Kriger to explain the importance of maintaining integrity and transparency as it opens up to the public and how they’re leveraging Web3 to do so. They also discuss industry hot topics, including Mark Zuckerberg’s plans for Instagram NFTs, Sequoia backing up Magic Eden vs. OpenSea, Crypto Unicorn’s Play-To-Earn, and more on NFT going mainstream and what it means for the space.

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Tammy Yang Of Numbers Protocol – A Decentralized Photo Network, Plus: Instagram NFTs, Sequoia Backs Magic Eden, Crypto Unicorns Play-To-Earn, And More…

This episode features Tammy Yang, the Founder, and CPO of Numbers Protocol, the leading platform that brings authenticity to digital content spaces. Tammy is a Data Scientist and a Particle Physicist, PhD graduate from Manchester University. Before founding Numbers, she worked for Canonical, Viscovery, and DT42. She is a software engineer, tech lead, AI developer, CEO, and Founder.

Numbers’ is building a decentralized photo network for creating community, value, and trust in digital media. Numbers Protocol redefines digital visual media as assets and is the backbone of a suite of tools for registering and retrieving images and videos in the Numbers network. Tammy, you are very impressive. We won’t talk about particle physics but that will be a fun tangent to go on.

Tammy, we are so excited to have you at NFTLA. I am excited about your talk. It is one of the ones where I looked at the schedule and I am like, “That is one I want to be at personally.” We will let folks learn more by going to NFTLA’s site and schedule. Hopefully, they will feel the same way. Let’s get to know you and Numbers Protocol to kick things off. This is a massive undertaking that you have chosen to take on but with your background, that is not surprising. Tell us a little bit more about how this venture came to be.

Thanks, everybody. I am happy to be here. We started this journey in 2019. At that time, there was a lot of misinformation talking about blockchain technology. That is where we started because we think that Web3 technology could be the key to bringing the traceability and the verification of digital media.

Can I ask how this transition came between your past career in particle physics and getting into this domain? Was it the people that you knew? Was it an interest that you picked up? Is there some inextricable linkage? Can you tell us about that transition?

Numbers is the second company I founded. The first company is DT42. That was an AI company focusing on providing edge AI. As everyone knows, the fuel of AI models is data. While I was working in particle physics, I was working in a giant accelerator. My work every day is dealing with a lot of data. I am super familiar with data. When I was working for the AI companies, there were questions that came to my head, “Where were these data coming from? Why am I sure that I can use this data to turn the AI model? Who owns the data? Who owns the model?” Those questions came into my mind. I can never find the answer.

I am not sure if you have experienced training an AI model. In training an AI model, you have a lot of images, for example. There are people in those images. You feel weird. The questions are, “Have you ever asked these people if they want to be part of the AI? Are these photos properly licensed? Where are these photos coming from?” You will never be able to trace that. I had a lot of questions when I was working in the AI area. In 2019, we’ve got the opportunity to found another company, which is Numbers. That is why we like to address these issues of traceability and verification of digital media.

The closest I came to training AI models was the class I took at Columbia University. It is PhD level Advanced Topics in Theoretical Neuroscience. I learned enough to know that the people that were focused on that knew a lot more than I did. It takes a lot. I had to brush up a lot on my matrix calculus. It was impressive, especially among those people. Can you tell me a little more about Numbers’ vision and how that relates to the world of NFTs? Where are you headed with this?

In the Web2 world, every photo you see online is like a piece of object lingering there. There is no history attached to that. That leads to a lot of problems, such as the misinformation problem. There are a lot of reasons behind that. I don’t mean that Numbers alone will be able to solve that big problem. One of the reasons for misinformation is that it is very challenging to trace the history of digital media. Our vision is to use Web3 technology because the nature of Web3 is open and transparent. You have an open dataset, and everything is traceable. Our vision is to use Web3 technology to build a photo network where images and videos have their own histories and certificates.

You will be able to trace that and then link that to NFTs. I am sure you also know the reasons either. It is not only what happened but there has been a long problem that people just right-click and save any random photo and then sell it in an NFT marketplace. For example, there are a lot of random logos selling in NFT marketplaces without any permission of the companies or the projects. These are scams but the key problem behind them is because if there is no traceability of the digital media of these photos, you won’t be able to know who owns these photos and wherever these photos are coming from. How come you are sure that you can buy these NFTs?

For example, verifying the contract is a very common way to verify the NFT you buy. If we have to rely on the centralized verification of the contract, we lose the meaning of the decentralized technology. For us, the vision is to make digital media traceable and verifiable. In that case, we believe that it will bring a new layer of trust to NFTs. People will be able to find out more history and the authenticity of the NFT you are interested in. Also, that is not just the authenticity problem. You can find out the whole asset history, not just the token transfer history of the NFT you purchase. That could be something interesting.

The whole concept of integrity within the digital sphere has been around for a long time but oftentimes, it has been very difficult to execute to, 1) Provide that underlying integrity and, 2) Communicate it. How else are you working to make sure that things have integrity but also that it is easy for your users to understand that this is something authentic that they are looking at, it is validated, and it has integrity?

 

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We also spend a lot of time learning how to make things right. We started by working with some of the news media projects. For example, at the end of 2020, we worked with Stanford’s Starling Lab and Reuters to create a project for archiving the 2020 US presidential election photos. In the beginning, we tried to work with experienced people who have a lot of experience in this area and also people from the university or the lab who has a long history of research on how to do it right.

We added a good user experience design to the app and also learned from Web2 applications how to make the user experience good and simple. We learned from many different sources. In the end, that comes out to our products. We will try to provide a good tool for users which is easy to use. Take a photo, and then you will be able to have a native Web3 photo. That is the goal we are trying to achieve.

It is a noble goal and a big vision. That is for sure.

It is pretty impressive. It is something I would like to learn more about. I have a lot of folks in our network that are into photography. You are taking a special approach to all of this in terms of what is possible. Let’s talk about some of the latest happenings with Numbers. The Numbers Network Actions is live and enables a bunch of cool NFT capabilities that you alluded to. Could you tell us more about that?

Network Actions is something super important for Numbers. In the Web2 world, if you are a photographer and you want to share a photo on Instagram and then also sell it at Shutterstock at the same time, you have to upload the photo twice because after uploading, they exist on different servers. That is the key difference between Web2 and Web3. In Web3, you only need to upload once. You will have a unique identity of your asset and own your creation so that you will be able to use it in many different services.

That is why Network Actions is very important to us. The users of Numbers Protocol can take a photo using the app and then connect to many different photo services. We call this service Network Actions. This service includes our listing to the NFT marketplace or some simple action such as printing a real copy of your photo. You can, for example, keep it on Web3 permanent storage. There are a lot of things you can do in the Web3 world and all these photo services. We hope that you will be able to access it very easily through the Network Actions’ functions.

I don’t know whether we will get to this but it seems like you would save a bunch of space potentially. You could almost have a test function when somebody goes to upload a photo and have a system say, “This is already in the system here. We don’t need to upload this again. Here is where you can find it.” That is pretty awesome.

The key point is not only to save some storage space but also, for example, once your photo is uploaded to Instagram, how many services you can use depends on the decision of Instagram. In Web3, because you own your creations and copyright, the ownership is much better defined than in Web2. It allows us to create an open ecosystem. That is important. This open ecosystem allows you to use your creation or photo on different services. That should be something very different and interesting.

You announced the world’s first Web3 search engine for NFTs. Can you tell us how you define a Web3 search engine and tell us about yours specifically?

The main products of Numbers Protocol are two. The first one is the app where you can take native Web3 photos and connect them to many different ecosystems through Network Actions. Once you have the photo created, then the second thing is to have a tool to explore it. That is the NFT Search Engine. The search engine we built already has more than 20 million records and assets. You can imagine it. It is like Google Reverse Image Search which is specifically for NFTs.

If you go to NFTSCAN or OpenSea, what you will see is how many tokens are minted by this contract. That will be the information you can get there. In the NFT Search Engine we built, what you can find is how many tokens are associated with this image. This information is special in this search engine we have. Going back to your question of how we define the Web3 search engine? The Web3 search engine in the future, we imagine should be something that gives people the answer to what you are looking for instead of something that the engine guesses you are looking for.

For example, the technology allows us to do that because every asset has this unique ID in the Web3 space. Every image has its identity, not just the token. When you are looking for the token or the information related to this image, we can give you exactly the results that you are looking for instead of asking the engine to guess what you are looking for. That should be something different between Web2 and Web3 because if you allow the engine to guess what you are looking for, then that gives some room to manipulate the results.

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Decentralized Photo Network: The nature of Web3 is open and transparent. You have an open dataset and everything is traceable. Our vision is to use Web3 technology to build a photo network where images and videos have their own histories and certificates. You will be able to trace that.

 

I don’t know if we explicitly stated it or covered it for too long but the potential here is fascinating, especially when we look at the concern that has been arising over the years about deepfakes or misinformation out there. The landscape of media and communication is getting very cluttered. It is hard to tell what is the truth and where things came from.

Immediately, when I think about this, I think about a future where media outlets for the sake of wanting to be considered a reputable media outlet, will have to reference the original video footage NFT that their footage came from or photo and so on. Even if it is a short clip of what somebody said that makes them look stupid or something, they can always go link back to the original footage easily and say, “Here is the context if I wanted to find it.” That is pretty powerful. Pretty is an understatement.

I can give you one example. There is a very interesting NFT you can find on our search engine. It is some game element because it was a small potato, and it was sleeping. It was an interesting case. The interesting part of that NFT is because the search engine returns you the results of how many tokens are linked to this image and also the contract, the owner, so you can see its history. We found that starting from September 2021, a contract keeps minting this sleeping potato.

There are many NFTs created for that potato. You might think, “This is common. Sometimes the same image will be minted for NFTs.” That is pretty common but starting from October 2021, other contracts are minting NFTs for the same image, not just one. You can find 4 or 5 contracts in October 2021. Sometime later, it was even listed on Foundation. It has become a mystery because every time it is minted, it is a different contract.

The reason why I am trying to share this is that if you go to OpenSea and then see an NFT, what you can see is just the token history of that. Web3 technology allows you to know more because, with the example of that sleeping potato, you can see the whole history of that. It is not just the history of 1 token or 1 contract but the history associated with that particular image.

Mapping that to the misinformation or fake news problems, what potentially could happen in the future is you will be able to trace the history of every image and know when it was first captured, who created that, Photoshopped it, and then uploaded it to Instagram. That is the future we would like to see where you can trace the history of the photo, know what you are reading, and then have better information, see the bigger picture of the event or the news, and know the full picture of that.

Tammy, the word on the street is that the Capture App is completely integrated with Numbers and everything. Anybody can use that and have all the full functionality of the Network Actions. Tell us a little bit about that. What is the user experience like, now that it is fully integrated?

The way we designed it is we tried to make it a very simple tool so that everybody can experience taking native Web3 photos. The user journey is like any photo app. You press the camera button and then take a photo. It will collect information such as the location if you disclose the location or the time the photo was taken. It will register those to the blockchain. You can choose the minted NFT from the app. If you want to use any Network Action, such as listing it in the marketplace, you can also choose a Network Action and use it in the app for your photo. That is the user journey of the Capture App.

We always talk about this on the show, an easy button for using these features is so important for folks. In the scenes and even signing up for crypto wallets and all the stuff that you have to do with so many different companies and services within the space, it is difficult for people. I’ve got to think that this easy button that you are creating across the board is massively helpful with customer adoption and usability. Kudos. It sounds amazing.

We can’t end a conversation about the potential of a product like this without at least touching on the metaverse side. Maybe you could elaborate on what Numbers’ approach is to the metaverse and how you look at that dimension.

The vision of Numbers Protocol is to make digital media traceable and verifiable. We believe this is going to be something important if we want to build a healthy future metaverse because we believe that without a protocol like Numbers Protocol, there will be a lot of right-click and save images popping up in the metaverse. That is how we connect Numbers Protocol and the metaverse because we believe it is important to bridge the existing photo world to the metaverse where you want to see authentic content. This time in NFTLA, we will also showcase a very interesting feature. We launched a metaverse. We call it NumberVerse.

It is a space where you can browse some nice creations. It is a virtual exhibition area. In NFTLA, we will bring a headset where people can view that virtual world. If you use the Capture App, take a photo, and use Network Actions to submit it to the metaverse, then it will immediately be sent to the metaverse if the internet works. We are a bit worried. There will be a lot of people there. The internet connection might not be as ideal as we expect but as long as the internet works well, in principle, you will be able to experience that. Take a photo, and then it can appear in the metaverse with all these integrity records.

 

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If you try to imagine the internet flowing to 2,500 to 3,500 people at the same time, it does seem like a little bit of an intense visualization. I would like to see the particle physics behind the scenes going on there. We are almost wrapped up with the regular part of the interview here but there are a couple of more questions. What ecosystem partners are you working with or coming down the pipeline? Is there anything interesting you can share?

We partnered with a lot of news media previously and then also worked on some of the very good news media archives with different partners. In 2021, because we saw there is something in the NFT space where we can help, we started working with NFT marketplaces such as the biggest NFT marketplace in Avalanche, NFTrade. Also, we worked with NFT marketplaces like Featured by Binance and several others. NFT marketplaces are the main partners that we are working with.

One of the things that we always like to ask folks is about their inspirations. Outside of what we have talked about, what gets you inspired around the world of NFTs in particular companies, ideas or concepts that you see in our near future?

It is just the start of NFTs, so I do see a lot of interesting scenarios of NFTs. For example, a friend of mine was trying to get an NFT, which is interesting. It is a shoe NFT. If you get that and keep holding that NFT, then every three months, you can get new shoes. After getting five shoes, you are forced to sell them or required. Otherwise, you will stop receiving the shoes or something like that. It is leveraging NFTs and making shoes as a service. NFT is a very interesting media, and a lot of people love it. There are a lot of many interesting ideas around it, such as this shoe NFT.

I love all these concepts, whether it is the sleeping potato. They are very specific. I appreciate that. It is not just the obvious big players in the space. It is interesting and cool. There are so many good things happening with Numbers. We appreciate you sharing a good amount of that with us. All of our readers are going to be excited to dive in on their own and even learn a little bit more.

What we would like to do is to transition to our next segment, where we can ask you some questions and get your personal thoughts on some of these things. It is a quick way to get to know you a little bit better. There are ten questions. We are looking for short single-word or few-word responses but maybe we will follow up here or there to go a little deeper. Are you ready to dive in?

Yeah. I will try my best. I am a little bit nervous.

You are good. Question number one, what is the first thing you remember ever purchasing in your life?

It is Coke.

We will clarify for everybody’s benefit. Is it Coca-Cola the drink?

Yes.

Question number two, what is the first thing you remember ever selling in your life?

NFT Tammy | Decentralized Photo Network

Decentralized Photo Network: In Web3, you only need to upload once. You will have a unique identity of your asset and own your creation so that you will be able to use it in many different services.

 

It is our token.

That is an amazing first sale. Question number three, what is the most recent thing you purchased?

It is Coke again.

We’ve got a theme going. Let me see if we follow it. Question number four, what is the most recent thing you sold?

It is our token again.

We are doing it. I love the symmetry here. Question number five, what is your most prized possession?

I would like to say physics but I am not sure if that is a good answer.

Your knowledge in physics most certainly is a great answer.

You have accumulated and processed some incredible knowledge at this point.

Question six, if you could buy anything in the world, something digital, physical, service, and experience that is currently for sale, what would that be?

I would like to buy an island if I am allowed and also rich enough to buy an island.

We ask these questions to every single guest. You are our official 119th guest on the show. There is this consistent theme around all these massively influential and very smart people changing the world around buying an island or a large piece of land somewhere. I am curious about that. We’ve got to dig a little bit deeper around some of these themes that we have seen across the answers.

 

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I have this island in Argentina. I am willing to split it with someone if you want to go in on it, Tammy.

Let’s shift gears a little bit. Question number seven, if you could pass on one of your personality traits to the next generation, what would it be?

Smile.

Is it bringing happiness?

Yes.

Optimism, happiness, and energy sometimes are in short supply. Question number eight, if you could eliminate one of your personality traits from the next generation, what would that be?

Sometimes I am a bit too calm.

It is getting fired up a little bit and more pumped about something to get things going. I’ve got it. Question number nine is a little easier. What did you do before joining us on the show?

I was trying to drink some Coke because I was sleepy.

This is an easy one. Last one, what are you going to do next after the show?

Sleep.

That is Edge Quick Hitters. Thanks so much for sharing that with us. We do appreciate it. We have a few hot topics to cover as well.

NFT Tammy | Decentralized Photo Network

Decentralized Photo Network: The key point is not only to save some storage space but in Web3, because you own your creations and copyright, the ownership is much better defined than in Web2. It allows us to create an open ecosystem.

 

Let’s have a little fun with this. I will give us the context here, “NFTs will be on Instagram soon, according to Mark Zuckerberg.” Zuck that sounds interesting. Let’s see what you’ve got, “Over the next several months, the ability to bring some of your NFTs in, hopefully over time be able to mint things within that environment. There have been rumblings that this was coming. In 2021, Instagram lead Adam Mosseri said the team was actively exploring NFTs but did not have any actual announcements. In January 2022, we heard a report that teams at Facebook and Instagram were working on NFT integrations.”

We saw the big, “Here is our metaverse rollout,” with Mark Zuckerberg mentioning NFTs and changing the name to Meta and all this stuff. I feel like, especially in our world where it is a little bit more Web3-focused, we have more than a few Facebook haters. Instagram sometimes gets kept separately from Facebook, though. People are willing to use Instagram but not Facebook. First of all, Tammy, I would love to know this. Do you have any strong opinions about NFTs in Facebook or metaverse in Facebook and Instagram? Is there anything on that side of things?

I am quite happy to see how it will go because, in my opinion, I don’t think any of these Web3 elements will work on Web2 social media. I will be quite surprised if, in the end, it works very well. I am not saying any negative things. I am just curious about whether or not it will work.

Josh and I were talking to somebody. He owned a Meta trademark usage or something. He is one of these people that Facebook is going to steamroll over and say, “We are going to use Meta. Sue us. We will take care of it that way.” He was pointing out this very interesting perspective that it is so funny to have a centralized approach to the Web3 experience. It doesn’t fit. Even though you think you want to make it that way, they don’t go together.

You can say NFT is a technology. Everybody can use that. What is more important and why people are crazy about it is the concept of decentralization and also the concept that it is open. You will be able to own a piece of that creation. For example, when you upload a photo to Facebook, no matter if they won’t admit it or not, they still have to be responsible for that data.

They also own part of that data and get to decide what they want to do with that data. All these ideas are a bit against the Web3 concept. I am curious how they are going to integrate that, whether they just use it as a technology. That will be boring. Maybe they have some interesting ideas but I don’t see them.

All things that I talk about with Facebook will be an interesting experiment and par for the course with what they are trying to do with Meta. You can’t have Meta without NFTs. It is the foundation. We will see where it goes. We will see some probably decent amount of iteration once they started doing this.

Should we hit the next one?

Let’s do it.

In this case, we are looking at, “Sequoia Capital sees a weakness in OpenSea’s NFT dominance. OpenSea is the Google Chrome of non-fungible tokens. Some top venture capitalists are hoping it turns out to be more like Netscape.” It is the 1.0 of this whole thing, “The keys to owning digital assets, most frequently do so on OpenSea has 43% of the market with $23.3 billion in total sales, according to an analysis of data research from DappRadar.”

You are seeing these interesting competitors come into the game. We have seen LooksRare. They are able to pull a very interesting stealth attack by offering special credit and tokens to people who specifically had higher activity on OpenSea trading and things like that. You can see some people are investing in other types of projects specifically to try to be beyond Netscape and be the Google of the next segment.

Whether OpenSea becomes Netscape or not depends a lot on OpenSea. They have to get out, execute, iterate, evolve, be responsive to market needs, and become a continually better service for their customers. If they can do that, there is a place for them in the long-term within that space and beyond. We were talking about Facebook. Facebook, when it launched in 2004, is infinitely different than what it is now. It would have gone the way of MySpace if it hadn’t evolved. It is up to OpenSea.

 

NFT is a technology. Everybody can use that. What's more important and why people are crazy about it is the concept of decentralization and also the concept that it's open. You will be able to own a piece of that creation. Click To Tweet

 

There is room for more people and other companies to come in and carve out a part of the market. We know that. There are typically many players within any given technology vertical. Even with search, Google is massively dominant but people do use Bing if they are on Safari. They do Search as a default search approach there. Other search possibilities are out there that people do use. It is rare that you see that much dominance in a particular category. Competition is coming. It is up to OpenSea how relevant they are going to remain. In my view, it is on their shoulders.

It looks like this specific fundraising that is coming in from Sequoia Capital is going to Magic Eden, which is an interesting already existing marketplace that is focused on a specific subset of NFTs. They have certainly convinced Sequoia and some other big investors that they are the ones that might be able to take on what is missing on OpenSea.

We had Tiffany from Magic Eden on the show. We met her at ETHDenver, and she will also be at NFTLA. It is very impressive what they have been able to do and how community-centered they are. We have seen time and time again that the world of Web3 is a world of real, genuine, and authentic community. When you look at OpenSea, they have a handicap based on their genesis before this massive community movement started by no fault of their own. The onus is on them to prove how community-centric they are.

Should we hit the last hot topic?

We should. Let’s do it.

Crypto Unicorns Closes $26 million Token Sale Ahead of NFT Game Launch. A leading non-fungible token collection on the Polygon blockchain has completed a $26 million token sale that included purchases from TCG and Backed VC. The sale comes as Crypto Unicorns prepares to launch a web-based play-to-earn game later.” Play-to-earn is getting bigger. People want to get in on it and get a piece of it. Interestingly, it is about getting a piece of it but maybe it is about giving a piece of it, too.

Play-to-earn seems to be a movement that is also driven by some interesting do-good initiatives. Folks want to create a larger economy in which anybody on the globe can enter and get a different level of access than they might have typically gotten in our current or previous economy. It is a fascinating world. Tammy, are you playing Axie Infinity or anything like that? What do you think? Do you have time for that?

I don’t have time for that but my colleague plays a lot. Her job is to play and buy NFTs. That is a very good job. We need to get to know what is happening. We are super busy, so we set up a task for one of our colleagues. Her job is play-to-earn, buy NFTs, and find out what is new in the NFT space and what is the coolest NFT.

We have talked about it on a number of fronts. Even a market that isn’t from an investment perspective or overall value perspective isn’t pumping. There are so many things happening. This is a time when people are building across the board. There are lots of momentum across a variety of fronts. The dollars coming into the space is an indication of that. It is the energy going into the space, the people focused on putting their time and effort into these companies, and also the optimism.

We don’t feel like there is this big question mark as to whether or not the things that are happening are going to be impactful here in the future and have a sustainable impact. There is no question about that. It is almost a given at this point. All of these things that we are seeing and talking about are all indicators that good things are happening now, and we have many more good things to come. I see this as another amazing signal of what is happening in the world.

When the markets were a bit bearish, and also the heat in the NFT space was a little bit calm, at that time, we started getting a lot of requests from NFT marketplaces saying that they needed us to support their NFTs, help them to scan their NFT marketplaces, and also have their NFTs supported on the search engines.

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Decentralized Photo Network: When the market is super hot, then no one cares about the authenticity of NFTs. If NFT is going mainstream, these fake NFTs problems have to be solved.

 

They started pushing us to have a due date. They wanted to see that be integrated by some time. When the market is super hot, then no one cares about the authenticity of NFTs. Even fake NFTs, there will be people buying. They don’t care because the market is super hot. When the market is not as hot as previously, then we see a lot of NFT marketplaces coming to us.

They want to integrate Numbers Protocol and show more authenticity to their users. That is a good sign because NFT is going mainstream. I know that a lot of decentralized marketplaces will say, “This is Web3. You have to be responsible for your behavior. You own your data and your wallet. You have to care for it and don’t buy scams.” A lot of marketplaces will say that but in the future, if NFT is going mainstream, these fake NFTs problems have to be solved. I saw that when the market is a bit calm, then a lot of projects spend a lot of effort in building and creating a better user experience for the users.

That is where it starts. If you can do that, good things happen. You are at the leading edge at the tip of the spear. We appreciate that. Eathan, we do have some shout-outs for some of our amazing followers.

I picked someone fun. We’ve got to interact a little bit more with the community to see how people emerge, take a role, and show themselves as an interested party here. This is something we have mentioned a couple of times but I want to give them a specific shout-out. His name is Tony W on Discord. Josh knows this guy in person. It is Tony Wild.

This is the guy that is in charge of Hot Sauce Pepper Party, which is a very interesting project where you can create your own hot sauce and mint an NFT that defines that type of hot sauce with your special elixir. Not only is he the Creator of that fun project but he donated some hot sauce when we went on the LobsterandBeer show so that Josh could have some fun. Was it black garlic hot sauce?

I used that hot sauce. It is so good. It has a mild flavor but got the right amount of garlic in it. That thing goes on everything good. I am not even a hot sauce addict. That is Jeff. Jeff, I have some of Tony’s hot sauces waiting for you when you get to LA.

I can’t wait to try it.

I also want to shout about it because it is not just that he has this cool project. He is such a great community member. He bought a Spirit Seed. He has got a VIP pass to NFTLA, and he is a member of that community. If you are an artist, he is in the Discord. He has rented some space in LA during NFTLA. He is willing to show some artists’ work in the space that he has rented to have some people hanging out. Find Tony W on Discord if you are an artist and you think he might be interested in showing some of your art in this gallery space he rented. I am sure you will have a lot of fun meeting him and engaging with him. He’s a good guy. That is our shout-out.

We’ve got some feedback from folks that we have given our shout-outs to in Discord. Folks have been able to jump in and revel in it.

It is hard for us to imagine what it is like as the audience who only knows us from this scenario. People say, “I have never gotten a shout-out. This is pretty cool.” It is fun. Sometimes we give people a heads-up, “We recorded an episode. Look out in a week.” Sometimes they don’t even know. They read the episode like, “That is me.” People are having a lot of fun with it. We talk about community so much here. It is great to have a little bit more awareness around who the community is and bring them into the fold here. I love it.

It has been so much fun, Tammy. It is great having you here on the show with us. I am looking forward to spending time in LA as well. I wanted to ask you, for all the readers that have not jumped in on the Numbers train yet, where can they go to follow you and the amazing things that you are doing with the project?

The easiest way to find us is to visit our website, NumbersProtocol.io or search Numbers Protocol. You should be able to find that. If you would like to experience the NFT Search Engine, check out how many tokens are associated with your assets or your image, and find out if your NFT has been minted for other tokens, you can try the NFT Search Engine. You can visit NFTSearchEngine.site.

Check out Numbers Protocol. You will be amazed. It is so cool. We are also going to be doing a little giveaway for our readers. Tammy, what could you share with us? Are there any details that you would like to share?

There will be a giveaway. It is a cute tokens NFT. I love it so much. It is very cute. Also, there will be a giveaway of the NUM tokens.

Keep an eye on our socials. It will be a fun giveaway or a little contest. We have reached the outer limit at the show. Thanks for exploring with us. We have got space for more adventures on this starship. Invite your friends and recruit some cool strangers that will make this journey all so much better. How? Go to Spotify or iTunes, rate us, and say something awesome. Go to EdgeOfNFT.com to dive further down the rabbit hole. Remember, we always invite you to co-create and build with us at the show.

We are unlocking a whole new way to connect and collaborate with us through our event NFTLA, a one-of-a-kind immersive and unforgettable experience at LA Live in Los Angeles from March 28th to the 31st, 2022. Check it out at NFTLA.live and move quickly on tickets as VIPs are gone. We just have a few General Admissions remaining. Be sure to tune in next time for more great NFT content. Thank you so much for sharing this time with us.

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About Tammy Yang

NFT Tammy | Decentralized Photo NetworkParticle Physics PhD, strong logical thinking and good at math, machine learning and deep learning.

Advanced user of Python, LATEX, Linux shell scripting.
Extensive experience with C, C++, Javascript.

Docker, Git, familiarity with open-source development tools and methodology, especially those in common use for Ubuntu and Debian package maintenance, including Debian packaging tools: APT, dpkg, debhelper.

Fluent in English and Mandarin Chinese.