Digital Evidence: Transforming Data Integrity with Constellation Network

In this episode Josh Kriger of The Edge of Show sits down with Ben Jorgensen and Benjamin Diggles, co-founders of Constellation Network, to dive into a pivotal moment for blockchain innovation. With blockchain adoption shifting from cryptocurrency hype to mission-critical government and enterprise use cases, Constellation Network is leading the way. The "Ben team" launched their new product, Digital Evidence, a groundbreaking solution to authenticate and verify crucial data streams for public sector operations. From transforming emergency services to reshaping trust in government through zero trust networks, this episode captures a monumental shift happening at the intersection of Web3, AI, and legacy systems. If you're passionate about the future of blockchain for government and real-world impact, you can't miss this one.

Key Topics Covered:

• Constellation Network's Mission: Building decentralized solutions for data integrity across Web3, enterprise, and federal sectors.
• Blockchain for Government: How blockchain's evolution mirrors the government's transition to the cloud, opening new doors for data security and transparency.
• Launch of Digital Evidence: Introduction of a patented product to authenticate critical data streams for law enforcement and emergency vehicles.
• Partnership with Panasonic: Insight into how legacy players like Panasonic Toughbook are integrating blockchain to enhance U.S. Army operations.
• Regulatory Momentum: Constellation's role in shaping blockchain legislation and standards at the federal level.

Episode Highlights:

• "All blockchain really does for data is it hardens and optimizes networking capabilities." - Benjamin Diggles
• "We need to stop talking about how to accumulate more data and start verifying it." - Ben Jorgensen
• "The energy today shows that putting guardrails around blockchain is a major industry milestone." - Benjamin Diggles
• "Putting the U.S. treasury on a blockchain could reduce costs and fund future innovation." - Ben Jorgensen
• "Working with Panasonic, we're bringing blockchain to 10,000 U.S. Army field Toughbooks." - Benjamin Diggles

People and Resources Mentioned:

• Josh Kriger
• Ben Jorgensen
• Benjamin Diggles
• Constellation Network
• DC Blockchain Summit
• Panasonic Toughbook
• Common Crawl

About Our Guests:

Ben Jorgensen and Benjamin Diggles are the dynamic co-founders of Constellation Network, a leader in decentralized data infrastructure. With nearly a decade of innovation, they've pioneered blockchain solutions for government and enterprise, blending Web3 capabilities with mission-critical needs. From launching "Digital Evidence" to influencing blockchain regulation, their vision is reshaping trust, transparency, and technological integration at a national level.

Ben Jorgensen

LinkedIn: Ben Jorgensen
Website: Constellation Network
Twitter: @benjorgensen​

Benjamin Diggles

LinkedIn: Benjamin Diggles
Website: Mr. Diggles
Twitter: @mrdiggles​

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Transcript:

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Josh Kriger: Hi, everyone. Josh Krieger here, co-host of The Edge of Show, live at the DC Blockchain Summit 2025 in a place I called home for many years. I'm here today with two of the co-founders of Constellation Network. We have Benjamin Diggles and Benjamin Jorgensen, the Ben team.

Ben Jorgensen: Yeah. What's up, Josh? How you doing?

Josh Kriger: Good to have you guys on the show. What brings you to DC?

Ben Jorgensen: Well, we're here for the digital chamber blockchain summit. So we presented a keynote. We launched a product today. Mr. Diggles over here hosted a panel with Panasonic, former executive director of the World Bank and Common Crawl. So it's been a it's been a busy day.

Josh Kriger: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot to get into, but maybe just give us some background on Constellation and what you guys do and what folks should know about.

Ben Jorgensen: Yeah, so Constellation, very simply, we use decentralized networks to create data solutions. So our ecosystem is made up of Web3 individuals, as well as an enterprise and federal arm, where we're actually working to get blockchain into existing legacy systems, while also kind of catering to a Web3 audience.

Josh Kriger: Nice. So obviously there's been a massive shift in the landscape of our industry the last few months. What gets you most excited in terms of what you guys can do now that maybe wasn't even possible a year ago?

Benjamin Diggles : You want to jump in on this? Yeah, I'll take it. You know, we were here last year. We're a big fan of the digital chamber. And, you know, years time ago, it was sort of a somber energy because it felt like there was stagnant movement. Right. Right. A lot of folks in crypto do good on the up, bad on the or better or worse on the down, but real bad when it's stagnant is what I always say. It was sort of like, let's just all hang out, lick each other's wounds, and get drunk together, which was fine, right? But in the last six months, we've seen an amazing shift. We've been in this now for going on eight years, and it's been tough, right? And I've said this to Congress folks, senators, eight years of looking over your shoulder, wondering what's regulated, what's legal, what's not, is a long time. And so seeing the energy today of where that shift is happening, and putting guardrails around this industry is sort of a big moment for us. So we leaned into this and that's why we chose this conference to launch our product and be a little bit more involved.

Josh Kriger: Yeah, we'll get into the product. One more question I wanted to ask, though, is what are some of the misunderstandings that folks may have around the possibilities of what the government can do with blockchain, what they are already doing? I think people think in a lot of cases the government is anti-blockchain, but there's use cases happening today with the government and blockchain. Maybe you can speak to that a little bit?

Benjamin Diggles : Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's interesting, right? Because I've often equated the transition to blockchain much like we've seen the government in the transition to the cloud. They were very against the cloud for a long time, largely because it's distributed and they want to have centralized control, but they had to be educated that they can actually have more control by distributing their data across the cloud. And the same thing's happening with blockchain. It went from, hey, that's expensive, it's hard on the environment, it's not easy to use. So we're sort of curious to now we're seeing that we need an ASAP from the local state all the way to the federal level, which is an awesome place to be. But at the end of the day, all blockchain does for data is it really hardens and optimizes networking capabilities, right? Edge computing and so forth. For them to not lean into it is missing out and not painting with a brush that can solve so many of their issues today. And we're already starting to see some of that through the Doge initiatives. You know, you have Elon, as Ben mentioned in his his keynote, is trying to put the entire treasury on a blockchain. A lot of people are like, wow, that's amazing because now we have this transparency. But to us, being fanboys of blockchain, we're like, it's finally happening. We're finally starting to see that movement take place. And so with the government, it's not just about finance and transparency, but we use it for mission-critical, provable guarantees on communications, things that can really cause problems from man-in-the-middle attacks, spoofing attacks. and nobody trusts anybody anymore. And that's why we're seeing the government move to zero trust networks. And we've been right at the forefront this entire time. So it's a very exciting, yet sort of a nerve wracking moment in society.

Josh Kriger: It's sort of an oxymoron. You talked about zero trust networks because the data is right there on chain. But I think in a lot of ways, that transparency is also part of building trust again, right? Rebuilding trust in government, rebuilding trust in our industry.

Ben Jorgensen: Yeah, absolutely. I think that's what we're starting to see. Benjamin's point talking about Elon Musk saying, hey, we need to put the U.S. treasury on a blockchain. He's not necessarily saying, like, let's use blockchain digital assets. to finance different operations. He's talking more about how do we use a trustless network like Constellation's blockchain to identify where spending is. Making that transparent will kind of illuminate inefficiencies and efficiencies, ultimately reducing costs on the government that can be used to fund innovation and propel us forward into the future.

Josh Kriger: It's pretty exciting. We also do an event in Riyadh where the government is looking at blockchain in interesting ways. I think, you know, we constantly are talking about, you know, the cryptocurrency component of our industry, but there's a whole other world out here of just utilizing blockchain to get things done and, you know, robust systems, more transparency, all the things that you guys are for. That's really exciting. And there's an announcement today. So talk to us about what has now been shared with the world and we can talk about.

Ben Jorgensen: So we actually filed a patent on this. It's a product called Digital Evidence. And a lot of this is around, digital evidence is really around our thesis that we need to stop talking about how to accumulate more data, but instead look at the amount of amassed data that we have today and start verifying, authenticating it, and transforming it into a valuable asset that we can actually use. And so that helped us kind of design this product we call Digital Evidence, which basically authenticates critical data streams, most notably working with emergency vehicles, law enforcement vehicles, fire trucks, Panasonic Toughbook, they're actually one of our partners on the deployment of this product. in verifying the raw data and using it for critical operations such as having admissible data in the courtroom? How do you comb through all this different data that can be used as evidence to reduce legal expenses and provide more accurate reporting on where fire trucks or law enforcement vehicles or any sort of critical data stream actually was when it says it was?

Josh Kriger: That's pretty amazing. I don't know if everyone thinks about Panasonic as a partner for something like this. Not everyone realizes the breadth of what Panasonic does with the government. Maybe you can talk about the genesis of that partnership and why you chose Panasonic?

Benjamin Diggles : Yeah, yeah. It's actually interesting because we have a company we acquired about three years ago called Door, a sensor device company that Panasonic Ventures was an early investor in. So they had sort of a weird pseudo exit when we acquired it. And that was the beginning of the relationship. We met with their Panasonic Toughbook Connect team about three years ago. Yeah, it was like three years ago. We told them what we were planning on doing with it, and it sort of blew their minds when they saw what we expressed with that product. Then we dovetail in our federal efforts. Over 10,000 Toughbooks are in circulation right now in the field for the U.S. Army, right? And there's a need to like, hey, we need to know that our GPS is exactly what it is. We need to know that the data is flowing through this is exactly what it says it is. So it was kind of a hand to fit the glove. But to your point, were they out there looking for a blockchain solution? No, because a lot of the legacy has been sort of left out from this. In fact, our Panasonic constituent Aiden who has been here with us today. He's like I've had a few people come up and point at my badge and say wow a Web 2 company. And he goes I don't even know what a Web 2 company means is like you represent the legacy. This is sort of an echo chamber focused on digital assets which is fine. But what we're missing out is this key technology affecting a multi trillion dollar industry that currently isn't in the game. And Constellation represents a company that is dipping into that industry to bring them into Web3.

Josh Kriger: I got to tell you guys, this actually hits my heart in different ways. Before I got into blockchain, I did government consulting for 12 years in a former life. I worked on open government work, on geospatial work to sort of open up the visualization of data across different shared services. I did some work with housing and urban development to try to sort of create more of a dialogue with citizens. And if this technology was around back then, maybe I wouldn't have left government consulting. Maybe I wouldn't have this show. But in all seriousness, these are some of the most exciting use cases of our technology that don't ever get talked about. I, for one, am becoming a fanboy of what you guys are doing as we're having this conversation because I think it's really exciting. This is what pioneering blockchain technology and innovation are all about. So kudos to you guys for what you've accomplished. Where do we go from here? What is your hope in terms of what you guys can do and what the government can do with blockchain over the next five or ten years?

Benjamin Diggles : Yeah, I mean, we're at an interesting nexus. We're at the forefront of helping Congress and Senate create standards and policies and legislation around this thing. And that's where we're seeing a lot of thirst from other blockchain ecosystems wanting to come together to join, which I love because I'm all about partnerships, to establish definitions that we can all agree on and feel good about. A lot of people don't know the difference between a meme coin or a stable coin. And that's a dangerous game if you don't understand the definitions, right? No problem, big problem. And so I'm just really pleased being a career technologist to be at the forefront of help shape this and to work with some of my favorite people. You know, Ben and I have been friends now 10 years and we have to say one of our favorite things that we get to work together. And confuse your employees, which Ben said what? But it's so important to be attached to folks like you that are willing to take the time to understand us and give us a platform to educate people to show that like, hey, it's not just about meme coins. There's actually real technology that's going to lift all tides here. And we're here to collaborate with as many people as we possibly can. Ben, I don't know if you have anything you want to add. Yeah.

Ben Jorgensen: I'll jump in there. After the past seven years of building Constellation, we've been hit with regulatory hurdles, negative perception of our industry, and what we're seeing right now is really kind of a new starting point. Yes, everybody talks about digital assets because there's a financial component, but as we create a positive spin on this and an evolution with the government, now we can start building out other use cases. We can start to see real adoption take place. I mean, personally, what does that look like to you? Well, I've waited like seven years to get here. I think there's another aspect, what it looks like in the future. We're going to stop talking about the academic angles of, of fearless structures and why this one network has this feature. Nobody cares. They care about- It's so easy to stand up a network now.

Josh Kriger: It's more about what are you going to do?

Ben Jorgensen: Yeah. I mean, heck, you come to Constellation, you can build your own network on top of our network, right? But it's going to be critical that people start to understand the applications and how to apply it to really see the adoption. And I think we have that momentum and that wave to ride right now.

Josh Kriger: Very exciting. If folks want to learn more about what you guys are up to, where should they go?

Ben Jorgensen: Constellationnetwork.io. We actually just relaunched our website. You can find information about digital evidence. You can find out about our token called DAG. Or check us out on Twitter. My handle is at Ben Jorgensen. All right. Easy. That's easy.

Josh Kriger: Yes, that is very easy. Thanks, gents, for this illuminating conversation. Thank you, sir. Congrats on your big announcement today. Thanks, Josh. Appreciate it. Yeah.

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